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OSPA Offers Practically Free Traffic-Stop Training for Rural Law Enforcement

Assistant State Prosecuting Attorney John R. Messinger will conduct a 4-hour presentation covering 4th Amendment issues with a focus on traffic stops.  The presentation is accompanied by a paper (distributed in advance) and includes:

∙ Historical perspective
∙ In-depth coverage of controlling law
∙ Discussion of recent cases and pending issues
∙ A quiz!

This service is for small or rural counties that do not have the resources to send officers for training.   Credit can be earned with a department’s approval. 


Call ((512) 463-1660) or email (information@spa.texas.gov) John to schedule a training day for this August (August will be the only time the service is offered).   

The department, county, or city will be responsible for John's mileage reimbursement and overnight residency (if needed). 


PD-0797-17 10/25/2017

1.  “In light of significant statutory changes, does Nelson v. State have continued validity when interpreting § 21.11 of the Texas Penal Code?”

2.  “Under § 21.11 of the Texas Penal Code, what is a ‘breast’?”

Arroyo was charged with multiple counts including indecency with a child by contacting the child’s breasts. At trial, the eighteen-year-old victim (who was in sixth grade at the time of the offense) testified that Arroyo touched her hair, then moved down her neck, and touched down her “chest.”

On appeal, Arroyo argued this testimony was insufficient to prove he touched her “breast,” the term used in the indecency-with-a-child statute, Penal Code § 21.11. The court of appeal agreed—relying on Nelson v. State, 505 S.W.2d 551 (Tex. Crim. App. 1974), which held that “chest” was broader than “breast”—and acquitted Arroyo on these counts.

The State argues that the court of appeals should not have adopted the reasoning of Nelson because the statute Nelson interpreted has been amended. Indecency can now be committed by touching a boy’s “breast.” This expansion suggests that any distinction between “chest” and “breast” has been abrogated. Dictionaries also list “chest” as one definition of “breast.” Thesauruses indicate they are synonyms. The State argues Nelson’s definitions are incompatible with § 21.11’s modern focus and scope. 

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